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the Liberal Party is probably going to die.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opi ... le2091788/

The federal Liberal Party’s executive meets Saturday to plan next January’s convention, which, in turn, will set up the leadership contest for 2013, which Bob Rae is favoured to win. And you so don’t care.

None of us really cares about the travails of that infamous gaggle of chronic infighters whose narcissism and opportunism reached such depths that fewer than one voter in five now supports the party of Laurier, King and Trudeau.

How bad are things? Even though Mr. Rae, as interim leader, is supposed to be disqualified from running for the leadership, many Liberals believe the field of candidates willing to put themselves forward for certain defeat in the 2015 election will be so weak that the party will ask him to stay on.

Which is another way of saying the Liberal Party is probably going to die.

But you shouldn’t want it to die. People are eventually going to tire of voting Conservative, if not in 2015 then surely in 2019, and the NDP appears to be relentlessly determined not to grow up. Everyone who isn’t a diehard on the left or right has a stake in the Liberal Party’s renewal. And it’s why the party needs to go to a primary system for choosing the next leader.

Mr. Rae is touring the country and consulting what political types like to call the grassroots, though Alykhan Velshi, a former aide to Conservative Immigration Minister Jason Kenney, astutely calls them the grasstops. The grasstops are the riding executives, policy wonks, activists and other need-to-get-a-life types who make up the infrastructure of a political party. They’re not the grassroots. You’re the grassroots, and you wouldn’t be caught dead at a Liberal (or Conservative or NDP) barbecue.

Many grasstops belong to one or more of the special interests that weigh down the Liberal Party. The youth commission, the seniors commission, the aboriginal commission, the women’s commission. You can’t swing a dead cat in that party without hitting a commission.

Toss them all out, party executive, and toss yourselves out while you’re at it. But before you go, put forward this proposal for the January convention. Have the next leader chosen through a series of primary contests across the country, in which any Canadian who wants to can cast a ballot.

Right now, the Liberal leader is directly chosen by party members. But it costs money to join and who would want to? People who belong to political parties aren’t entirely normal.

In the United States, you have to register to vote. Everyone who registers as a Democrat or a Republican has a say in that party’s leadership contest through the primaries and caucuses.

This weakens the party elite because outsiders such as Barack Obama (or Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan or Jimmy Carter) can do an end run around the establishment by appealing directly to voters. Because the weaker a party gets, the more powerful its few surviving poobahs become; a strong party will have a broad base and a weak elite, the very opposite of today’s Liberal Party.

Renewal could come for the Liberals if a leadership contest galvanized hundreds of thousands of people to, say, take out a free one-day party membership so they could vote in the New Brunswick primary, which everyone would be watching because the Northern Ontario primary the week before had vaulted an unknown but charismatic minority candidate into the front ranks of the contest.

Yes, fundraising would be an issue, given the campaign-contribution limits; yes, the Conservatives might try to fix the contest (although that’s really not very likely). But think of the mailing list!

Or the Liberals could carry on with an old leader, a plethora of commissions and grasstops instead of grassroots. In which case, their party will die.

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The problem with "primaries" is they risk electing either populists or people who appeal to the extreme wing of the party.

The Liberal party will resurface with a strategy to gain at least official opposition in the next election and ge tthe tories back to minority rule. That can just as easily be done as the losses they just incurred. Neither Harper nor Layton have won their additional seats that were ever traditional territory for them.

They will not go to primaries, that is a certainty. And the other certainty is that there is a strong grass roots organization that is not going away. If anything the things I see are that the grass roots are digging in to make sure we grow back to power again as that is the ultimate goal of any party. Harper made a "locker room poster" type of statement the other day that will kick him in the ass at the right time.

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The Liberal party will resurface with a strategy to gain at least official opposition in the next election and ge tthe tories back to minority rule. That can just as easily be done as the losses they just incurred.
Such humility...

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Such humility...

Such insanity... :lol: especially given previous poster's piss poor track records on predictions. :lol::lol:

Where are your predictions fcukhead? You don't even make any and don't participate in the democractic process except by delivering newspapers

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Does anyone else remember this being posted just a few days ago?

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Where are your predictions fcukhead? You don't even make any and don't participate in the democractic process except by delivering newspapers

Made lots actually and was right more often than not: correctly predict a Tory majority in the last election while the HypoGrits would be decimated,

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5949#p74993

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5884#p74444

correctly predicted Saint Michael would wimp out with his inane "your time is up" ultimatum of '09

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5021#p64383

and also correctly predicted the GG wouldn't, as others guaranteed would happen, hand the reins of government over to the coalition of idiots during whole late '08 constitutional coalition crisis

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5021#p64383

and correct about how long old Saint Michael would last and how fast his exit would be once the implosion came. (too many links to fit in this space :lol: )

And here's how many you got right political guru: zero. zilch. zip. nada. nothing. :lol::lol: Too funny.

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General predictions from the puppet master machine and newspaper delivered articles are not predictions. I bet you also predicted the NDP would be runner up and the tory collapse in 1993.

Stupidty does funny things to people when the mind can only focus on so little. You are stupid and a puppet.

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That's too funny. :lol: YOU are actually the biggest puppet here the way you follow commands and posting party press releases from HypoGrit party HQ like a pathetic worn out old marionette. What a one dimensional party hack you are which is no doubt why you can't objectively make any rational predictions and can only grasp at illusions and false prophets as leaders and party saviors. Sad really as much as comic relief.

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That's too funny. :lol: YOU are actually the biggest puppet here the way you follow commands and posting party press releases from HypoGrit party HQ like a pathetic worn out old marionette. What a one dimensional party hack you are which is no doubt why you can't objectively make any rational predictions and can only grasp at illusions and false prophets as leaders and party saviors. Sad really as much as comic relief.

and of course I predicted the tories would get their asses kicked all through the 90's and early 2000's :roll: Your stupidity continues to amze

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and of course I predicted the tories would get their asses kicked all through the 90's and early 2000's

...and haven't been right since about ANYTHING. :idea: You're good for nothing more than comic relief. :lol:

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We could rid the site of the 3 musketeers (tcook052, parnel, blue2002) although that would probably take too much effort..... so failing that perhaps just shutting the site down as it would be easier and entail less work!

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We could rid the site of the 3 musketeers (tcook052, parnel, blue2002) although that would probably take too much effort..... so failing that perhaps just shutting the site down as it would be easier and entail less work!
As you can see, instituting rules of conduct (which I advocated before) even in the softest way already brought about pretty good results. Note that parnel has not used any profanity in his posts in the last 24h+.

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Federal Liberals are busy tearing around the country, hosting barbecues and fundraisers aimed at getting Grits back on the radar screen.

Interim party leader Bob Rae and his gang hit the Lower Mainland last weekend with a barbecue in East Vancouver and a reception in South Surrey.

They'll be in Ontario and Saskatchewan before heading back to B.C. next weekend, when they'll be hosting events in Mission and Saanich.

But is it all for naught? Are the Liberals toast, as Prime Minister Stephen Harper recently suggested at a Calgary Stampede barbecue?

"My friends, I think something has changed," he declared July 9. "I believe the long Liberal era is genuinely, truly ending. As with disco balls and bell bottoms, Canadians have moved on."

Fashion trends come and go, and come back again. Mid-calf length skirts are returning this fall. And I'm still seeing some disco balls around.

Surely the PM knows a reconstituted Liberal party could be up and running by the next election in 2015.

Conservatism is not necessarily the new normal. Consider, 39.6 per cent of voters voted Conservative on May 2. But that's 39.6 per cent of just 60 per cent of Canadians who voted.

Moreover, provincially, 75.6 per cent of Canada's population lives in four Liberal-held provinces.

Canada's three most populous provinces are under Liberal rule. Certainly, B.C. and Quebec appear likely to re-elect Grit governments. (B.C. Liberals are an amalgam of the old Socreds and Liberals.)Harper insists his party is "moving Canada in a Conservative direction, and Canadians are moving in that direction with us."

But Canadians are fickle. They've been alternating between Conservatives and Liberals since 1867. It's not so much that people have changed their fundamental ideology since Harper became PM in 2006.

Voters generally aren't ideological; they've simply adjusted their loyalties as circumstances and party policies shift.

What Harper and his team have done is find Canadians' political comfort zone. Jean Chretien's Liberals did the same in the 1990s.

Cleverly, Conservatives are catering to a desire to have government get out of people's faces.

They're tapping into a public frustration with those who would game the system.

They're also providing targeted tax relief to people who are feeling a financial pinch.

All the while they're maintaining a humble posture and talking up transparency and ethics, far more than they're genuinely embracing these things.

If Liberals can reinvigorate themselves by the time the Conservatives start to annoy the public, as they inevitably will, they once again will be in contention.

For the most part, Liberals have been hobbled by a succession of lacklustre leaders and a failure to adapt to new fundraising realities.

Going forward, the party is quite capable of stealing Conservative policies - just as Harper has moved his party toward the political centre - if that's what it takes to again become relevant.

Liberals should be out recruiting new talent now for a 2013 leadership race.

It's time for them to try a younger leader, perhaps someone like whiz kid Akaash Maharaj, an Oxford University grad and former national policy chair for the Liberals.

A smart leader with youth on his side would, in the next election campaign, stand out against a roster of sixty-something competitors.

The New Democrats have clearly demonstrated how rapidly political fortunes can shift in this country, making the Liberals' poor performance through the last five years far less ominous.

After their leader Jack Layton put in an admirable performance in the televised debates, NDP support positively zoomed and the party became newly relevant.

Much to Harper's chagrin, so it shall be for the Liberals.byaffe@vancouversun.com

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For the most part, Liberals have been hobbled by a succession of lacklustre leaders and a failure to adapt to new fundraising realities.

Going forward, the party is quite capable of stealing Conservative policies - just as Harper has moved his party toward the political centre - if that's what it takes to again become relevant.

Liberals should be out recruiting new talent now for a 2013 leadership race.

It's time for them to try a younger leader, perhaps someone like whiz kid Akaash Maharaj, an Oxford University grad and former national policy chair for the Liberals.

A smart leader with youth on his side would, in the next election campaign, stand out against a roster of sixty-something competitors.

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http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/0 ... eir-world/

Murdoch visions as Liberals face end of their world

Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan visited the National Post editorial board last week. The backroom work-over we gave him must have seemed like a real bare-knuckle bruiser of a session, because Mr. Duncan is now firing back with what he obviously thinks is a dandy comeback.

Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Mr. Duncan said the Post, along with other Ontario newspapers, are part of what he described as an intellectually dishonest, right-wing, Rupert Murdoch, conservative cabal.

Mr. Duncan, whose Liberal party faces what looks like a tough election this fall, had just been asked questions about Ontario’s alleged decline into “have-not” status. For some reason not explained, this line of questioning triggered a bizarre critique of Ontario’s newspapers and media: “The intellectual dishonesty, particularly of the right wing in this country, and the right-wing media, is they don’t tell the truth. It’s kinda like Rupert Murdoch.”

Nothing belittles a politician more than a smear, especially one directed at the media, and especially one so hilariously tangential as this attempt to drag Rupert Murdoch into the increasingly steamy hothouse of Ontario’s election campaign. When your party is down and perhaps on the way out, why not latch on to a remote global media pariah as somehow connected to your lack of connectedness to voters?

Mr. Duncan wasn’t just taking aim at the National Post. He had a string of Murdoch-like media he sees as right-wing conservative enemies of Liberal liberalism: “Let me go down the [Highway] 401,” he said, as he began blacklisting offending news outlets: The Windsor Star, The Chatham Daily News, The London Free Press, the Toronto Sun, the National Post, Global Television. “I could keep going down highways in Ontario. All of them take editorial positions in my view [that] are conservative, very conservative.”

With this, Mr. Duncan was condemning via irrelevant association at least three media groups — Quebecor, Shaw Media, Postmedia — before he got distracted and ran off the highway into a generalized condemnation of all media that “take editorial positions [that] in my view are conservative, very conservative.”

Now, I don’t know what the Quebecor/Sun papers (Toronto, London, Chatham) or Shaw Media (Global Television) did to deserve this silliness, but I do have an idea of what Mr. Duncan might see as the Post’s transgressions.

Not that the Post has been all that harsh of late. That editorial board meeting last Wednesday was a mild affair, a friendly exchange followed by polite banter, which Mr. Duncan said he enjoyed.

The next day the Post’s editorial board produced an editorial of such modest criticisms and waffling ambiguity that the McGuinty Liberals could use excerpts as an endorsement. It repeated, without comment, Mr. Duncan’s claims that 93% of Ontarians pay less tax than they did before his party came to power in 2003. Also left standing was the claim that the province’s electricity grid had been pulled back from the brink of collapse.

So Mr. Duncan was not reacting to the Post’s recent portrayal of Ontario or of the Liberal government of Premier Dalton McGuinty. What he must have been reacting to is the Post’s past references to Ontario as a high-tax and big-spending jurisdiction that looks more and more like some clapped-out European nation.

It would be unfair and inaccurate to use Mr. Duncan’s Murdoch ploy and suggest that Ontario has the potential to become, well, kinda like Greece.

When it come to intellectual honesty and telling the truth, moreover, Mr. Duncan and his Liberals may need to go back and take another look at their various claims on spending, taxation and energy policy.

On taxation, Mr. Duncan likes to mention the 93% factor, how 93% of Ontario residents enjoyed an income tax cut under Liberal policy — a technical claim that is meaningless.

The 93% claim is based on one minor tax cut in the bottom tax bracket to 5.05% from 6.05% — a single, one-time cut brought in on Jan. 1, 2010. The cut impacts a lot of people, but it is one tiny tax cut in an eight-year spending and taxation extravaganza. Middle-class and upper-income Ontarians — the people who pay taxes — are still the highest taxed in Canada.

Since 2003-4, Ontario has increased spending from $70-billion to $109-billion last year and still climbing. All that spending took place by racking up taxes and increasing the provincial debt. That debt is expected to reach $200-billion in a few years, and will have to be paid off with higher taxes or massive spending cuts.

Even that right-wing rag the Toronto Star reported the other day that the provincial auditor has doubts that the Liberals have a reasonable plan to cut spending and reduce the annual deficits.

One hates to sound like a Murdochian right-wing distorter of the truth, but it is not misleading to point out that Premier McGuinty promised to not raise taxes and then raised personal income taxes by bringing in the Ontario Health Premium. In addition, he cancelled the planned elimination of the personal income surtax put in place by the previous government and increased business taxes by raising the general corporate income-tax rate to 14% from 12.5%.

And then there’s the Liberal Green Energy Act and the claim it will create 50,000 jobs. Let Mr. Duncan drive down Ontario’s highways to find all those jobs and itemize the costs per job. Just the truth.

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