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Liberals undergoing summer of "therapy"

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Guess what Socialist Bob's big ideal this summer is? Another leadership tour! :lol: Maybe it'll breakdown like poor old dearly departed Saint Michael's did on day one, an omen of the implosion to come at the ballot box. :lol: Maybe the party of angry old white men are literally imacpable of having a new idea. :lol:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... rom=sec368

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http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... undations/

When Mr. Ignatieff and his predecessor, Stephane Dion, set out on listening tours it kind of made sense. Mr. Ignatieff had been out of the country longer than many voters had been alive, and Mr. Dion was, to put it mildly, not well-known. But Mr. Rae has been a near-continual presence on the political scene for more than 30 years and can’t be said to be unaware of the issues that have occupied the country in that time. What’s he hope to find out that Mr. Dion and Mr. Ignatieff didn’t? And didn’t they leave him any notes? “Albertans still upset at NEP” “Natives want their land back.”

Since he’s said he won’t be running for the permanent leadership, Mr. Rae won’t have much opportunity to act on whatever it is he learns. In fact, it seems likely he’ll be doing more selling than buying, using his acknowledged skills as a political veteran to convince Canadians the Liberals still have something to offer that they can’t get from the other parties. It’s four years until the next election, and two years before the party gets around to selecting a full-time leader, so all he can really do is till the soil for whoever comes next, planting a few seeds in hopes they’ll produce a harvest later on. Spreading the fertilizer, so to speak.

Maybe he really should be called Bob the Gardener.

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The funeral march continues: :lol:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/07/26 ... 09408.html

Bob Rae Goes Looking For 2.2 Million Missing Liberal Party Voters

Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae is on a cross-country tour in a quest to rebuild the party.

Considering the disastrous results of the last election, it could be a long trip.

Since the 2004 federal election under Paul Martin, the Liberal Party has lost about 2.2 million votes - despite the fact that nearly 1.2 million more Canadians cast a ballot this past May than they did seven years ago.

The Liberal Party has bled votes in every part of the country when you compare the most recent campaign with that of 2004. The hemorrhage was worst in western Canada and in Quebec, where the party lost roughly half or more of its vote.

But if Bob Rae is to rebuild his party's relationship with Canadians, where should he start? Where does he have the most work to do?

Certainly not out east. Though the Liberals lost about 140,000 votes between 2004 and 2011 in the four Atlantic provinces, voters there have remained relatively loyal. The Liberals took only 14 per cent fewer votes in Newfoundland & Labrador than they did in 2004, while in PEI and Nova Scotia that proportion was at 20 and 25 per cent, respectively.

But the Liberals lost a huge proportion of their votes in other parts of the country - primarily in Quebec and the West.

The rural parts of western Canada did not elect any Liberal MPs in 2004, but did send a decent amount of votes their way. Seven years later, support plummeted by between 77 per cent in northern Saskatchewan to 60 per cent in rural Alberta. Liberal support has dropped 64 per cent in Edmonton and 66 per cent on Vancouver Island, parts of western Canada that historically sent Liberals to Ottawa.

In Quebec, the Liberals have virtually disappeared from the predominantly French-speaking parts of the province. Grit support has dropped by 59 per cent in central Quebec, 65 per cent in Quebec City, 66 per cent in the Eastern Townships, and 83 per cent in the Saguenay and Côte-Nord regions. They have also lost more than half of the votes they had in 2004 in eastern and western Quebec and the Montérégie region south of Montreal.

Even on the island itself the Liberals are down between 38 and 47 per cent. Western Montreal, which handed nearly a quarter of a million votes to the Liberals in 2004, sent less than 130,000 their way on May 2.

Ontario has not abandoned the Liberals to the same extent, though support is down across the board. The party has lost more than half of its former support in central, southwestern, and northern Ontario. If you exclude the Atlantic provinces, however, the three regions in which the Liberals lost the smallest proportion of their support are in Ontario: 32 per cent in Toronto, 22 per cent in Brampton, Mississauga, and Oakville, and only 18 per cent in Ottawa.

Despite the voter pool having grown over the last seven years, Rae's party has not increased its support in any part of the country. The number of vanished Liberal votes is in the six digits in each of Ontario, Quebec, British Columbia, and Alberta. The party is hardly present outside of the country's four biggest cities and is a shadow of its former self in the rural parts of Quebec and western Canada.

Clearly, Bob Rae's tour needs many stops.

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Now that was a good cartoon.

Quite. :lol:

BTW You see what the party at death's door is doing to rebuild? Looking into the past, as usual, with news that Sheila Copps maybe running for party president in '12. Talk about a dinosaur! :lol: Mind you she had more balls than most of the men in that pathetic party, present posters and recent leaders included. :lol:

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So much for stupid and his dumber than dumb comments:

The blogosphere is speaking out about this:

1.The return of Sheila Copps

ms Copps would certainly make a great president for the Liberal Party. She is well known to party members, understands the Liberal tradition in Canada, and would be able to re-build the Brand.

2.You Go Girl!

It would be amazing to see the talented Sheila Copps active in Liberal politics again. Especially since it will make all the Conservative astroturfers who seem to be stalking her here go batshit crazy.

3. She will beat the Tories like a dirty rug when she starts speaking out as party president .

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All the defeated HypoGrit MP's and dinosaurs seem to be considering a run for the job but a party insider thinks their too old. Duh! :lol: The party is awash in aged mouthpieces that yap away forever without form or substance and it's unlikely to change if they go with last century's retreads. You'd think they'd have learned that with all Cretin's old backroom guru's that F'd things up. :lol: Poor old tired big circus tent part, this should be more comic relief... :lol:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/27 ... residency/

The duties of a federal party president are onerous, including party organization, fundraising, expanding membership and liasing with local riding associations.

And the stakes are higher than ever for the Liberal Party of Canada, says former party speechwriter Scott Reid. A poor choice at this crucial time could sink the party forever, he said.

...

“The Liberal party’s future is on the line,” Reid said. “We need someone who can not only grow membership, but also the capacity to transform our organization into a top-notch 21st century fundraising mechanism.”

Reid said a youthful president, a “30-something or 40-something” with energy to rebuild the grassroots, would be a best choice.

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The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem. :lol: And boy does this dysfunctional big circus tent of a wingnut party have problems... :lol:

http://www.hilltimes.com/page/view/libe ... 07-25-2011

Liberals got message in last election, time to take hard inner look at party

When the reduced Liberal caucus meets on Parliament Hill at the end of August for their annual summer meeting, they're going to have to take a "good hard look" at how they plan to handle their equally reduced resources, says Liberal pundit Greg MacEachern.

Less than half of the 77 incumbent Liberal MPs who went in to the May election re-emerged with their seats. Now with only 34 MPs, the Liberals and interim party leader MP Bob Rae (Toronto Centre, Ont.) have begun to rebuild and will no doubt experience a different kind of summer caucus meeting when they congregate on the Hill from Aug. 28 to 31.

"They have to have a frank talk about the proper use of resources, the need for team play [and] the reduction of egos...when you're rebuilding it can't be all about you, it has to be about the team," said Mr. MacEachern.

Mr. Rae launched a summer tour across Canada, beginning in Prince Edward Island in early July, to talk to Canadians and get their feedback on how the party needs to rebuild. Mr. Rae's summer tour will continue until August at which point he is supposed to bring the country's feedback to Ottawa at the caucus' summer meeting.

Liberal Whip and deputy caucus chair MP Judy Foote (Random-Burin-St. George's, Nfld.) said the party heard a clear message from Canadians in the last election, and that they're taking it to heart.

"We need to look at what's been happening within the Liberal Party and we need to change things, and that's exactly what we're doing but we're doing it in consultation with Canadians," said Ms. Foote.

Mr. MacEachern agreed with Ms. Foote, saying he thinks the devastating May election results were a wake-up call for one of Canada's oldest political parties.

"[The Liberals have] been on kind of a slippery slope for the last couple of elections and this was a wake-up and smell the coffee moment. People are seeing it for the opportunity that it is, to rebuild the Liberal Party in a way that has strength for the long term [and] not just making easy choices for what you think is a quick political win," said Mr. MacEachern.

While Liberal national caucus chair MP Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis, Que.) was fairly mum on what legislative priorities his party would be discussing at the in-camera summer meeting, he did note that "the economy is always an overarching concern."

"We're getting familiar with new critics' portfolios and we're developing our positioning on various issues so I think what will come out of this meeting is a clear sense of the direction we'll be taking going into the fall session," said Mr. Scarpaleggia.

Mr. MacEachern said he thinks the Liberals will need to decide what sort of opposition party they want to be. With fewer resources and reduced research funding, Mr. MacEachern said the Liberals will need to pick a "smaller, more realistic" number of policy areas; a number that better reflects their caucus' new size.

"You cannot do a hundred things extremely well, so [they need to] figure out what [their focus is] going to be. Is it to be an advocate-style opposition party, in terms of bringing issues forward that the government's not paying attention to; or is it defending the interests of Canadians who are going to be impacted negatively by the decisions of the government. I think, realistically, it'll be somewhere in the middle that the Liberals fly," said Mr. MacEachern.

Mr. MacEachern said he thinks the reduced Liberals should make representing their constituents a top priority and that the route the Liberals took during the NDP's filibuster over the Conservative government's back-to-work legislation for Canadian postal workers was a step in the right direction.

The 58-hour marathon filibuster was the final-send off for the brief summer session that followed the May election and marked the first time the new NDP official opposition tested their legs in controversial waters.

"We saw very extreme ideologies with the Canada Post work stoppage. We had the government's, which was very pro-business, [and] we had the NDP, which was pro-union, and Canadians tend to straddle the middle and I think the Liberal response demonstrated that... that's what the Liberals should be looking for, is opportunities such as that, where Canadians are able to identify closer with the Liberals than with the NDP or the Conservatives," said Mr. MacEachern.

Although this 40th Parliament's Liberal caucus is dramatically and historically reduced in size, the number of attendees for at least a portion of the four-day summer meeting will be somewhat less reduced.

Invitations are currently being sent out to defeated Liberal incumbents and candidates to join the party at their caucus meeting in Ottawa at the end of next month.

"I think it's really important to be inclusive, we are rebuilding the party [and] they've made a significant contribution to the party over the years...it's important to hear what they have to say...just because you happen to lose your seat in a particular election, doesn't mean that you won't be there for a future election," said Ms. Foote.

While Mr. Scarpaleggia said much was yet to be confirmed about the time and capacity in which defeated candidates and incumbents will take part in the summer caucus meeting, he said he does expect "a few might come by."

Mr. MacEachern said he thinks the move to invite defeated Liberals was a smart step.

"You've got recent experience of what worked and what didn't work during the last election [and] you can hear that first hand," said Mr. MacEachern.

Both Mr. Scarpaleggia and Ms. Foote said the mood of Liberal caucus going in to the summer meeting is one of optimism.

"Members are very motivated. Under Mr. Rae's interim leadership, people are united and enthusiastic and looking forward to launching the rebuilding process, which of course has already begun, but I think this will be a key moment in the sort of launch of that process on a broader scale," said Mr. Scarpaleggia.

And Liberal strategist Mr. MacEachern agreed.

"Yes, the loss was tough for the Liberal Party, but I think in the days and weeks since, there's been a lot of signs that, handled properly, the rebuild is underway.... I think all that means that come summer caucus, you're going to have Liberal MPs showing up...rolling up their sleeves and getting down to work," said Mr. MacEachern.

Mr. MacEachern said in terms of fundraising—an area in which the Liberals have notoriously lagged behind the cash-cow Conservatives—the party is already on a path of improvement.

"It's inevitable that our fundraising has to improve and it already has, if you look at the fundraising numbers done for the last federal election it was just leaps and bounds over the previous two elections, so I think it's already underway," said Mr. MacEachern.

As to whether Mr. Rae will do better than his predecessor Michael Ignatieff in earning favour with Canadians, Mr. MacEachern said the fact that Mr. Rae has been elected, and re-elected, by Canadians since his political career began in the 1970s is a clear sign that people like him.

"The question I ask about politicians is, is this somebody I would want to have a beer with? I'd like to have two beers with Bob Rae," said Mr. MacEachern.

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