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Hudak headed for majority in Ontario: poll

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Seems the ND's could bump the HypoGrits down to 3rd place as they did federally so recently. Poor pathetic HypoGrits. :lol:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/26 ... ario-poll/

Tim Hudak’s Progressive Conservatives are heading to a majority government in the Ontario election on Oct.6, a new poll by Forum Research suggests.

The poll of 3,198 people, a large sample size, suggests that 41% of Ontario voters will vote for the PCs, 26% support the reigning Liberal Party, 22% want the NDP to win, and 8% back the Green Party.

The poll found the Tories and Liberals neck-in-neck in Toronto, whereas in Eastern Ontario 50% support the Tories compared to just 25% for the Liberals in that region.

Lorne Bozinoff, president of Forum Research, said Sunday that, although the election is still over three months away, much of that is during the sleepy summer months, giving the Liberals precious little time to make up the wide gap in voter preference.

“We did learn from a couple of months ago [in the federal election] that campaigns do matter,” Mr. Bozinoff said. “Nobody predicted what happened with the NDP. Still, it’s hard to see how the Ontario Liberals are going to gain traction if they release their platform in the summer.”

He said the poll, conducted last Tuesday and Wednesday, suggests that conservatism in Ontario is “the new norm,” with the provincial intentions mimicking strong support for Rob Ford in Toronto and for Conservatives federally. The poll suggests the Liberals will get their clocks cleaned in greater Toronto, losing 16 of their 905 seats and 11 of the seats they hold in the 416.

Even so, the Liberals are most popular in the 416, with 31% support, compared to just 25% support in the 905.

Overall, the poll by Forum, which calls itself “Canada’s leading public opinion polling company,” suggests the Tories will win 65 seats, the Liberals 23 seats and the New Democrats 19. At present the Liberals hold 70 seats, the PCs 25 and the NDP 10.

The Liberals’ strategy of focusing on Premier Dalton McGuinty may be backfiring. The poll found two thirds of Ontarians disapprove of the job Mr. McGuinty is doing as premier.

The poll suggests the New Democrats, with telegenic leader Andrea Horwath at their helm, are poised to reach their strongest showing since former premier Bob Rae’s crushing defeat in 1995. On Saturday at the NDP’s pre-election convention at Exhibition Place, speaking to a crowd of about 400, Ms. Horvath promised to save money by merging Hydro One, the Ontario Power Authority, Ontario Power Generation and the Independent Electricity System Operator into one entity. The plan would effectively recreate the old Ontario Hydro, broken up by the Mike Harris Tories.

In the poll, Horwath scorerd the highest approval rating of the three main leaders, 59%. Among women, 64% approve of Ms. Horwath, compared to 55% of men. Tim Hudak came next, with 54% of men and 53% of women approving of his efforts.

Mr. Bozinoff said Tory, NDP and Liberal tax-cut proposals are both popular, but he suggested that voters have a tendancy to believe that the PCs will follow through.

“It’s an issue more of credibility,” he said. “All three of them are making the same promises.” The poll also found that 70% of voters like Mr. Hudak’s plan to have convicted prisoners collect litter from parks and highways. But voters are less enamored of his plan to cut the amount of wind and solar-generated electricity to reduce hydro bills. Just 56% approve of that idea.

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http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... they-look/

Ontario Liberals insist they’re better than they look

Dwight Duncan, the Ontario finance minister, is already on the campaign trail for the October election, making the case for a third consecutive Liberal government despite an environment that has turned decidedly hostile.

Public polls show the government of Dalton McGuinty is unpopular. The Progressive Conservatives have had a positive reaction to an ad campaign labelling McGuinty as “the tax man”. The Tory platform is proving popular. And twice in the past year — in the city of Toronto and in the federal campaign — voters have rejected Liberal options and chosen conservative candidates by a decided margin.

Duncan didn’t get to be a senior member of cabinet by being born yesterday, so he’s not conceding a thing. Internal polls show the party in much better shape than anyone thinks, he says. “Changebook“, the Tories’ policy platform, is full of lies. The notion that Ontarians are overtaxed is a “myth”. And once the Liberals roll out their re-election campaign voters will quickly realize how good they have it.

“Campaign’s matter. We’ve got a better team, we’ve got an honest platform,” he says. “[Hudak's] lying to people … people will see through that.”

Maybe. McGuinty has surprised before, though generally he’s needed an assist from the opposition. In 2003 the Conservatives were a tired group who ran a dispirited campaign. In 2007 McGuinty was vulnerable, but opposition leader John Tory holed his own boat by running on an unpopular promise to extend public funding to faith-based schools. Tim Hudak, the current leader, has shown no inclination to offer a similar lifeline.

Which leaves Duncan and his colleagues in the difficult position of convincing Ontarians that their perceptions are mistaken, and that they’re happier than they realize. They may feel taxes are too high, but they’re wrong. They may think there are too many people being paid by the government, and a lot of them are being paid too much, but they’re mistaken. They may consider the ambitious McGuinty green energy project is overpriced and overoptimistic, but it’s not true. As in so many other areas of Liberal achievement, people just don’t understand.

So the Liberals are going to have to convince them. They’ll run ads expounding on their achievements, and poking holes in Tory promises. They’ll hammer at the “hole” in the Conservative platform, which Liberals say promises $14 billion more than it can pay for. They’ll complain that Hudak is attacking Liberal spending at the same time he’s promising to keep much of it in place. They’ll warn everyone that Hudak will be the second coming of former premier Mike Harris, laying waste to valued programs and turning Ontarians against one another.

Duncan says he’s confident of success, but the weaknesses in his case aren’t hard to spot. How can the Liberals accuse Hudak of being the rebirth of Mike Harris at the same time they admit Hudak would keep many of their spending plans in place? He can’t be a chopper and a spender at the same time, and if he’s promising $14 billion too much, as the Liberals argue, how will they convince people he plans to kill off their favourite programs? Any party that’s been in power for eight years and is still blaming the previous government for perceived failures takes on an air of desperation, and not all Ontarians remember the Harris years with the horror the Liberals imagine.

Harris won two majorities and was mainly reviled by unions and interest groups that were never going to vote Conservative anyway. Michael Ignatieff’s federal Liberals tried to frighten Canadians into rejecting Stephen Harper’s government with similar scare stories about hidden agendas and threats to healthcare, to little effect. Like McGuinty, the federal Liberals were stuck peddling conflicting arguments, criticizing the Conservatives for spending too much in the past while claiming they’d spend too little in the future.

We know the result. Voters weren’t buying, just as they didn’t swallow the warnings about Toronto Mayor Rob Ford and how his determination to cut costs would leave the city a pale shadow of its former self. Those warnings were delivered by George Smitherman, who, like Duncan, was a leading light in the McGuinty government until he quit to run for mayor. Smitherman, again like Duncan, was a seasoned campaigner, more than capable of defending his record. Throughout his mayoral campaign he argued that Ford’s numbers didn’t add up, that he wouldn’t be able to keep his promises, that the city was making a mistake by risking its future on a pair of new and untested hands.

Maybe Duncan will do better, though he might have to use some of his persuasive powers in convincing his own colleagues first. Even as he was making his case on Wednesday, news filtered out that Liberal MPP David Caplan will not run again, the second party veteran this week to call it quits and the 14th Liberal to declare they won’t seek re-election. That means that if every incumbent Liberal wins again, they’ll barely have enough to form another government. It might just strike voters that if Liberal MPPs are abandoning the government, they might be wise to do the same.

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Parney are you out going door to door yet for your Liberals!? :mrgreen:

Nope..... im helping to write the ads that show what a shallow useless and dishonest jerk Hudak really is. He has just found out others can post attack ads and out his stupid statements over time. Its character assassination payback time

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Parney are you out going door to door yet for your Liberals!? :mrgreen:

Nope..... im helping to write the ads that show what a shallow useless and dishonest jerk Hudak really is. He has just found out others can post attack ads and out his stupid statements over time. Its character assassination payback time

glad to see you will be with the losers again! :oops:

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Parney are you out going door to door yet for your Liberals!? :mrgreen:

Nope..... im helping to write the ads that show what a shallow useless and dishonest jerk Hudak really is. He has just found out others can post attack ads and out his stupid statements over time. Its character assassination payback time

glad to see you will be with the losers again! :oops:

is that your prediction or just your typical puppet rant?

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glad to see you will be with the losers again! :oops:

is that your prediction or just your typical puppet rant?

What? That Liberals will loose Ontario? It is my prediction, no rocket science required. What's yours? :D

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http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... -liberals/

Fear of Mike Harris won’t save Ontario’s Liberals

Ontario voters will head to the polls on Oct. 6, less than three months from now. The Liberal government of Premier Dalton McGuinty is hoping to win a third consecutive majority mandate. And while the Liberals haven’t released their official campaign proposals yet, it’s clear that they are pinning their hopes for victory on two contrasting records: their own, and that of the opposition Progressive Conservatives.

Speaking with the National Post editorial board on Wednesday, Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan gave a spirited defence of his party’s last eight years in office, listing numerous accomplishments for which he believes his government deserves credit. Ontario has added 74,000 new jobs in the last 12 months, Mr. Duncan said, more than replacing the jobs lost during the global financial crisis. Ninety-three per cent of Ontarians pay less tax than they did before the Liberals came to power, and the HST has drawn support from economists on the left and the right. The province’s electrical grid has been pulled back from the brink of collapse, with badly needed infrastructure upgrades pursued with vigour and artificially low price caps removed.

While Mr. Duncan concedes that eight years is a long time to be in office, he believes that once his party’s record is explained to the public, he and his colleagues will secure yet another term. And if that doesn’t work, the Liberals are quite happy to discuss another record: that of former premier Mike Harris, whom the Liberals have worked hard to link to the current Tory leader, Tim Hudak.

According to Mr. Duncan, Mike Harris didn’t respect the public service. He cost students tens of millions of school days due to needless labour disputes. He arbitrarily cut necessary services that cost the province more to replace via consultants than it had when done by civil servants. He did lasting damage to health care and education with deep, indiscriminate cuts. He tried to mislead voters by hiding debts off the books, and quit politics when it became clear he could not be re-elected. The Liberals hope that Mr. Hudak, who was a member of Mr. Harris’s government, will be punished at the polls by Ontarians still traumatized by Mr. Harris’s Common Sense Revolution.

The legacy of Mr. Harris remains a contentious issue in Ontario, with strong views on both sides. This editorial board generally has argued that he did much to streamline Ontario’s government and improve its economy, albeit with strong medicine. But in any event, he has been out of office for almost a decade. The only segment of the electorate likely to retain deep, lasting impressions of Mr. Harris’s tenure are the civil-service unions and their media cheerleaders, who blame Mr. Harris for all the province’s woes every chance they get. Those votes are already solidly behind Mr. McGuinty’s Liberals, thanks to lavish, unsustainable wage and benefits increases handed out to the public sector in the name of securing “labour peace.” Continuing to raise the spectre of a resurrected Mike Harris in the guise of Tim Hudak will play well to that crowd, but isn’t likely to win the Liberals any votes they don’t already have.

The campaign platform of the Progressive Conservatives, which pledges gradual cost cuts while preserving health care and education, is vague and offered thin gruel to Ontario voters looking for fresh leadership at Queen’s Park. It promised change, but also sought to reassure voters that in all the important areas of provincial governance, the status quo would be maintained. There are some worthy ideas within the Tory platform — including revamping the province’s system for wage arbitration and protecting union members from undemocratic practices by their labour leaders — but it could be effectively challenged by a Liberal offering that contains substantive proposals for how Ontario will cope with an aging population, a massive deficit and burdensome debt, all the while returning the province to its historical place as the country’s economic engine.

But if such a plan exists, it hasn’t been offered thus far. The Liberals need a convincing blueprint for how they intend to restore Ontario to its place as the economic engine of Canada, and should stop trying to campaign merely by claiming that their recent record of heavy spending is preferable to the prior premier’s long-ago record of contentious cuts.

Mr. Duncan assured the editorial board that his party is prepared to fight to defend the Liberal record and attack Mr. Hudak through Mr. Harris. We believe him. But the voters deserve better than an election where the two major parties are more interested in rehashing decade-old battles than leading the people of Ontario to a prosperous, stable future.

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the people of Oakville must be giving the Liberals wrong information, look what happened to the fools who are helping McGuilty last week. :oops: So funny the Liberals don't even check information before they embarrass themselves by listening to fools from Oakville who cant think.

After eight years Dalton McGuinty and the Liberal Party are tired, out of gas and still don’t have a plan. This week, it started to show. Let’s take a look at the Liberal week in review:

• The Liberals tried to attack Ontario PC Leader Tim Hudak for expensing maid service and cable, but later learned that Dalton McGuinty expenses those services, not Tim Hudak.

• Liberal Cabinet Minister Glen Murray came clean on Tax Man Dalton McGuinty’s plan to raise taxes and said, “Money is coming back to you today and we have to raise taxes to do that.” (newsdurhamregion.com, July 13, 2011)

• Liberal Cabinet Minister John Gerretsen scolds Tax Man Dalton McGuinty and says, “there should be no eco-fees.” (Kingston Whig-Standard, July 15, 2011)

• Liberal Cabinet Minister Dwight Duncan admitted the Liberals are too tired and out of gas to clean up government waste saying, “you can’t fix things on waste.” (Dwight Duncan, National Post, July 13, 2011)

• Liberal MPP Kim Craitor broke rank and “went ballistic” on Deb Matthews saying she was “insulting the intelligence of the people of [Niagara].” (Toronto Star, July 11, 2011)

• Liberal Cabinet Minister John Wilkinson showed how desperate the Liberals have become when he claimed that Andrea Horwath is the new Mike Harris. (Toronto Star, July 13, 2011)

• Liberal Cabinet Minister Bob Chiarelli made a fool of himself and blamed Mayors for gridlock, apparently forgetting that he was Mayor of Ottawa for 8 years. (National Post, July 13, 2011)

• The Liberals were forced to send their Seat Saver Program to North Bay in a desperate attempt to try and save the seat held by Monique Smith after sending Northern jobs to Quebec.

• Liberal candidate for nomination Stephanie Barry defied Dalton McGuinty and said she’ll fight his decision to close the Sarnia jail. (QMI Agency, July 14, 2011)

• The Association of Municipalities of Ontario (AMO) blasted the Liberals for issuing a press release that was made to look like an AMO release. (Comments Section, Blog)

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Lets see how the neanderthal Tories adjust to that ad which is nothing short of spectacular. With Ford acting like the idiot he really is in toronto the Libs could win this election and prove once again that Ontario is the heartland of Canada.

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Where is the OP on this thread today?  What happened to Tim Hudak in 2011?  What happened yesterday?

 

Is tcook052 too busy with Tory censorship on the JB to tell us about the Tory success yesterday?

 

Many of us would love to read his explanation!  :-P  :-P  :-P

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That election should never have happened. the NDP lost power and voted down probably the most progressive budget in ontarios history. the only silver lining is the voters told Hudak exactly where to stick his Tea Party thinking.

 

wait for kenney and harper to continue their racist exclusion politics.

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Andrea Horwath did us all a favour!  :wink:   She provoked an election that will provide us with 4 years of civilised, moderate, progressive government.  :|   She made herself irrelevant and consigned the right-wing b.s. to the dustbin.  A good result!  :-P  

 

I just want the Tory hack tcook052 to post on here and tell us about his brilliant 2011 prediction and why it still didn't happen in 2014.  :-P  :-P    I'm hoping he can take a moment away from JB censorship and come on the free speech board here and tell us what happened to his heroes.  :-P  :-P   It would be nice to hear his explanation without his crib notes from Tory propaganda central!  :-P  :-P  

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