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TORONTO - Jack Layton was found laying naked on a bed by Toronto Police at a suspected Chinatown bawdy house in 1996, a retired Toronto police officer told the Toronto Sun.

The stunning revelation about the current leader of the New Democratic Party comes days before the federal election at a time when his popularity is soaring.

When the policeman and his partner walked into a second-floor room at the Toronto massage parlour, they saw an attractive 5-foot-10 Asian woman who was in her mid-20s and the married, then-Metro councillor, lying on his back in bed.

Layton was cautioned by police and released without being charged.

Olivia Chow, Layton's wife, denied her husband had done anything wrong in an e-mail statement late Friday night.

"Sixteen years ago, my husband went for a massage at a massage clinic that is registered with the City of Toronto," Chow wrote. "He exercises regularly; he was and remains in great shape; and he needed a massage.

"I knew about this appointment, as I always do."

In a letter from his lawyer, Layton recalls "being advised by police at the time that he did nothing wrong."

What police say happened on Jan. 9, 1996, was recorded in the former cop's notebook, which was reviewed and photocopied by the Toronto Sun.

The former Asian crime unit officer, who requested anonymity, details a prior police raid on the "premise currently ID as a bawdy house" looking for underage Asian hookers and a subsequent follow-up visit to the two-storey brick storefront on Jan. 9.

At first the policemen didn't realize they were interviewing one of the best-known Toronto politicians who was married to Chow, also a Metro councillor and now the incumbent NDP MP for Trinity-Spadina.

The officer's notebook indicates he asked the suspected john: "Did you receive any sexual services?"

He replied: "No sir, I was just getting a shiatsu."

The cop: "Why did you have all your clothes off?"

The suspected john: No answer.

The cop: "Are you aware that there were sex acts being done here?"

The suspected john: "No sir."

The woman, who was from mainland China, denied masturbating the suspected john but when the question was repeated became nervous and replied, "I don't know I only come to work today," the cop's notes show.

His notes also claim he saw the "female dump wet Kleenex into garbage."

In the interview with the Sun, the officer said: "I asked him for his wallet and I looked at his name and I looked at the last name and it looked familiar.

He's registered as 'John' and I thought he's a 'john.'"

Layton's Christian name is John.

"I explained to him this was a bawdy house and then I asked him the silliest question, 'Are you any relation to the councillor, Jack Layton?' and ... he had that defeated look on his face and he said, 'We are one in the same,'"

the ex-cop said.

The former officer said Layton, seemed quiet and mellow and denied that he knew it was a suspected bawdy house.

The police had to decide what to do with the controversial councillor.

"To have arrested him and charged him would have served our egos a lot more. Layton was a thorn in the side of the police, siding with the anti-poverty movement in '96 or '97 ... Jack was anti-police," the ex-cop said.

"We looked at it and thought do we take advantage of this, or do we look at this like (he's) any other person, put it away and we hope this thing dies a slow death."

In the end, they came to the conclusion they shouldn't charge him.

"If we had barged in and he was engaged in a sex act and we had plainly saw it, then it would have been a different story."

The officers said police filled out a suspect investigation card that recorded his name, address, date of birth -- July 18, 1950 -- height and weight.

That information would be filed away by a civilian administrator for crime analysts to use in tracking criminals with particular attributes.

The former cop is surprised it took so long for the incident to become public.

"This stuff was never leaked out back then. The professionalism was outstanding. I thought this would have come out. This thing within the circle was so well known."

The policemen warned the councillor about the dangers of hanging out in suspected bawdy houses that could be run by Asian triads.

"I remembered lecturing him on a lot of these triads, they'd videotape the customers and extort them afterwards. Jack went pale. I said to him you have to understand it's quite possible," he says.

"He came on a bicycle. I escorted him down and he went away on his bike."

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The former cop is surprised it took so long for the incident to become public.

"This stuff was never leaked out back then. The professionalism was outstanding. I thought this would have come out. This thing within the circle was so well known."

LOL. What an amazing until-recently-unexploded shell from past wars. Timing is everything, I guess.

Do you think this will make a difference? If so, who stands to gain the most?

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Really, who cares? Not only was it 16 years ago, but if there were no charges brought, all the rest is just speculation.

Speculation is what helped to bring down the Libs in 2006. Remember the NDP charge about the income trust leaks that proved to be totally false.

Speculation that Lyin jack and his mostly "pylon" candidates will rule us is even more scary but in the long run it would be good medicine for the Libs and certainly the death of harpercrite's tenure thankfully.

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If Jack has half a brain he can use this to help his cause. He seems to be capitalizing on people's disdain of how things are currently working in parliament and this is just another example of the mudslinging that people no longer care to see. The people who in my eyes would be the most swung by this allegation weren't even the ones that were being swung over to him.

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Really, who cares? Not only was it 16 years ago, but if there were no charges brought, all the rest is just speculation.

Look. I am the first one to say that, frankly, whether Jack went for a rub-and-tug 16 years ago or not does not make him better or worse prime minister material right now. Same as, in my opinion, Clinton should not have gotten crucified over his affair with Miss Lewinski. If anything, the impeachment should have been for bad taste... but I digress. I may not respect nor condone such behaviours, but I also don't necessarily think they necessarily influence one's skills required to lead a country. That said, our wonderful democrary is, in other words, the rule of the mob, and the mob is more emotional than rational. We'll see, but I predict a dip in Jack's popularity... which could actually benefit Conservatives the most.

Edited to add: And to side with Parnel's earlier comment, the mob does not need facts either. Speculations will do.

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If Jack has half a brain he can use this to help his cause. He seems to be capitalizing on people's disdain of how things are currently working in parliament and this is just another example of the mudslinging that people no longer care to see. The people who in my eyes would be the most swung by this allegation weren't even the ones that were being swung over to him.
Not a chance. He will not get any new "sympathy votes" out of this. He will loose some to Iggy, maybe some to the Greens too.

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The identity of this retired police officer must be discovered and he should be sued for revealing what should be confidential investigation notes. He should lose his pension and be an object lesson to any public servant who has had access to privileged information and capriciously makes it public.

Of course, should be no surprise from the Palideau SUN. Their TV "news" network spent all day Friday slagging Layton in the true FOX NEWS fashion.

Bottom line: It will have no effect on Monday's vote. If indeed the Bloc has fractured in Quebec, and the more left Syndicalist members of this coalition of lefties, separatists and Union National are the reason the NDP is experiencing a surge, the balance in Canadian politics federally will certainly have potential to shift. Given the Liberal's poor standing provincially, and the remnants of the Chretien wing of the party unable to consolidate the federalist vote any longer, Monday could prove a seismic moment. (Would Iggy stick around to be a deputy PM under Layton?! Or will he resign and turn the interim leadership over to Bob Rae, who would be deputy PM.)

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The identity of this retired police officer must be discovered and he should be sued for revealing what should be confidential investigation notes. He should lose his pension and be an object lesson to any public servant who has had access to privileged information and capriciously makes it public.

Of course, should be no surprise from the Palideau SUN. Their TV "news" network spent all day Friday slagging Layton in the true FOX NEWS fashion.

Bottom line: It will have no effect on Monday's vote. If indeed the Bloc has fractured in Quebec, and the more left Syndicalist members of this coalition of lefties, separatists and Union National are the reason the NDP is experiencing a surge, the balance in Canadian politics federally will certainly have potential to shift. Given the Liberal's poor standing provincially, and the remnants of the Chretien wing of the party unable to consolidate the federalist vote any longer, Monday could prove a seismic moment. (Would Iggy stick around to be a deputy PM under Layton?! Or will he resign and turn the interim leadership over to Bob Rae, who would be deputy PM.)

Your assumptions are wrong again:

1. I doubt very much that the retired police kept those notes in his possession...the politics of the day are very dirty and led by the dirtiest of them all, Harpercrites. Among other things they have done include voter suppression tactics like having liberals called in close ridings at 3 am to ask if they are voting for them on Eday. One has to ask how they even got their hands on Liberal voter lists among other relevant questions.

2.These things do have an effect on peoples voting patterns. if someone who has never voted NDP and is stting on the fence like many are, I'm sure, this news could turn their heads back to their previous party. Most people are that fickle. Remember the NDP vote is a protest vote and as of yesterday the polls were still showing 18% or so undecideds. This election is not over for any party. If the NDP sags the Libs will benefit because their ground game in key ridings is very good (we had over 200 volunteers show up yesterday for canvassing and will have over 50 people on the phones come Monday plus over 150 scrutineers at the polls). If the NDP continues to surge the Tories could well lose power.

My bet is the surge is over and they are fading somewhat everywhere except in Quebec where the bloc will still win around 35/40 seats just because they have the machinery to get their vote out while the NDP only has Jack's moustache and cane as props.

Remember not one pollster or expert predicted the Tory collapse in 1993 and the Tories were favorites when the writ was dropped. The pollsters are very unsure of their ability to predict this election as some have said on TV and radio interviews.

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Apparently the OPP are investigating and this would be a Breach of Trust issue for discipline against whoever in the police force leaked it.

BTW my polling firm did project the collapse of he PCs in Alberta in that election for ITV News in Edmonton. Our polls showed PC candidates and incumbents trailing Reform candidates in every riding surveyed. I collected a lot of free lunches on that one! We were also the only polling company to forecast the defeat of the Meech Lake accord.

As for tomorrow, the problem I have with all the polls and all the media reports of them is that there is no measure provided of the Undecideds. This can be a very significant determinant. When we poll I never discount the Undecideds and always follow them up with questions like how they voted last election, which party they are leaning towards, which leader most impresses them. (Sorry but can't reveal anything about our findings in this campaign.)

Finally, the advanced polls were quite heavy, so a substantial number of Canadians won't be affected by the Layton story.

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Finally, the advanced polls were quite heavy, so a substantial number of Canadians won't be affected by the Layton story.

The advance polls were just before his surge really hit. The advance polls were good for us locally.

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The identity of this retired police officer must be discovered and he should be sued for revealing what should be confidential investigation notes. He should lose his pension and be an object lesson to any public servant who has had access to privileged information and capriciously makes it public......

really huh? The unions will protect ,right to free speech,access to information......

Never going to happen,IMO

When we start to recognize that bureaucrats run the government and not politicians ,we will be better for it.

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When we start to recognize that bureaucrats run the government and not politicians ,we will be better for it.

Not under the Harper Government. That's what pisses so many people on the left off about this regime. Just look at External where the bureaucrats were able to force the Liberals to follow their tune. When Harper got in he turned the department on its head and adopted a pro-Israel policy against the wishes and tradition of the entrenched lifers in the department. Policy now comes from the PMO not from the departments!

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My bet is the surge is over and they are fading somewhat everywhere except in Quebec where the bloc will still win around 35/40 seats just because they have the machinery to get their vote out while the NDP only has Jack's moustache and cane as props.

WOW interesting how wrong you can be. :roll::lol:

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My bet is the surge is over and they are fading somewhat everywhere except in Quebec where the bloc will still win around 35/40 seats just because they have the machinery to get their vote out while the NDP only has Jack's moustache and cane as props.

WOW interesting how wrong you can be. :roll::lol:

What was your guess asshole?

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WOW interesting how wrong you can be. :roll::lol:

He's been consistently wrong since '06 including most famously getting very wrong the whole '08 coalition debacle and Iggy's '09 Sept. "your time is up" lame challenge to Harper. Luckily we have these pages to document ALL the stupid and far fetched predictions that never even came close to being remotely correct. :wink:

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Once more the police protect their own. My question: if they recovered all these note books from the anonymous retired officer, and if these books were supposed to be in the police records archive, why has this person not been charged with theft?

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Once more the police protect their own. My question: if they recovered all these note books from the anonymous retired officer, and if these books were supposed to be in the police records archive, why has this person not been charged with theft?

the National Post did a full page spread on it this weekend. :idea: Who cares who leaked it, it certainly shows how Layton's very two faced about woman's rights.

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