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PD beefs up YSB service, to start YAM & YQG

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The good part of this is the extra flight a day to YSB. The YSB airport team are to be congratulated on this achievement. :D^

The new Porter flight will be interesting because it's at a serious time of day. The once a day service to YSB has left YTZ at 12.30 and YSB on return at 2.00. That's poor timing for business. The second, new service leaves YTZ at 5.30 and YSB on the return at 7.00. That's perfect timing at the end of a business day so it will be very interesting to see how successful Porter is with that flight and to see what, if any, will be the response of the monopolist AC.

Porters service to date has undoubtedly expanded the air service market. My son has used them 5 or 6 times for trips 'home' and they've taken him off a bus or away from a car rental company, not AC. Porter have done well with short distance leisure traffic and gained a bit of business traffic. The new service offers them a chance to really attract more business traffic.

It will also be interesting, and I am ever hopeful, that the competition will encourage AC to respond and to try to to attract passengers and even goodwill.

Example. I looked this week at fares for a family trip to Kelowna in the summer. There is no business traffic on YSB-YLW, its all leisure. The all in fares on AC for YSB-YLW are $1225 return. All in for YYZ-YLW on the same plane is $683. With two people travelling its not rocket science to figure out that AC can shove their offer of the YSB-YYZ legs at $1,084 for 2 and my family members will drive to YYZ even if it involves an overnight on one of the flights.

So AC's ripoff price is driving potential customers onto the roads for the YSB-YYZ leg. And since those customers no longer need a connection they can now look at alternatives on YYZ-YLW. And guess what......WestJet is $55 cheaper on the return and its flight times are better for facilitating drives from and to YSB without the need for an overnight in Toronto.

The above example illustrates how AC is leaving business on the table and how it angers people. AC have a captive market for this kind of connection traffic but they leave those potential customers feeling they are being taken for fools, exploited and ripped off. Its why there is so much latent hostility to AC among so many people in Canada. It makes people want to avoid AC at any time and to 'get back' at AC for insulting them. It is a very puzzling business approach but one wonders if anyone at AC gets it.

But back to Porter. I hope their service succeeds. I hope the competition leads to better prices and better options for consumers. I look forward to them adding a third daily flight, a morning flight to the YSB route.

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I am using PD on a one way YSB-YTZ due to crazy pricing at AC.

I am at YSB right now taking AC on a pass because it was cheaper than porter

How come you are in YSB when I'm not there? :)

Your fare comparison really puts you in AC apologia lala land.

Comparing a pass to a regular fare is an apples to oranges comparison.

I just checked YSB-YYZ or YTZ for tomorrow. I can fly YSB-YTZ for $320 all in. If I'm not mistaken I could fly on an AC pass for $330 at the lowest pass price. So you must have got one of the rare comparisons where Porter had only their highest priced ticket left.

To compare apples to apples. The lowest I can fly YSB-YTZ tomorrow on Porter is $320. The lowest I can fly YSB-YYZ tomorrow on AC is $721. The latter is monopolistic exploitation of the worst kind and nobody subjected to those ripoffs has a lot of loyalty or goodwill for Jazz. It should hardly be surprising that victims of the monopoly wish Porter every success even if some of us are quite loyal to the mainline carrier AC.

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How come you are in YSB when I'm not there? :)

Your fare comparison really puts you in AC apologia lala land.

Comparing a pass to a regular fare is an apples to oranges comparison.

I just checked YSB-YYZ or YTZ for tomorrow. I can fly YSB-YTZ for $320 all in. If I'm not mistaken I could fly on an AC pass for $330 at the lowest pass price. So you must have got one of the rare comparisons where Porter had only their highest priced ticket left.

To compare apples to apples. The lowest I can fly YSB-YTZ tomorrow on Porter is $320. The lowest I can fly YSB-YYZ tomorrow on AC is $721. The latter is monopolistic exploitation of the worst kind and nobody subjected to those ripoffs has a lot of loyalty or goodwill for Jazz. It should hardly be surprising that victims of the monopoly wish Porter every success even if some of us are quite loyal to the mainline carrier AC.

I guess you can call me a smart shopper :D

The AC passes are still good value for people travelling mostly mid week on busy routes. For regional short haul flights I buy a T+ pass and it is generally cheaper than mid week fares on any of the airlines ex YYZ. For my flights to Alberta and YVR, particulalry to YMM or YYC mid week fares can be as high as $1000 one way while the latitude pass is only $650 and the T+ pass is around $400. WETJET is no cheaper mid week and AC with the pass program is probably cheaper than them mid week or other busy tim,es like Friday PM or Monday am.

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The parameter affecting the prices YSB-YYZ today is load factor.

AC only has a total of 12 seats for sale, on 5 flights, for the remainder of the day. I suspect that the earlier flights were just as full, while Porter was probably less than half full. Thus Porter was still trying to flog the seats to anyone passing by.

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How come you are in YSB when I'm not there? :)

Your fare comparison really puts you in AC apologia lala land.

Comparing a pass to a regular fare is an apples to oranges comparison.

I just checked YSB-YYZ or YTZ for tomorrow. I can fly YSB-YTZ for $320 all in. If I'm not mistaken I could fly on an AC pass for $330 at the lowest pass price. So you must have got one of the rare comparisons where Porter had only their highest priced ticket left.

To compare apples to apples. The lowest I can fly YSB-YTZ tomorrow on Porter is $320. The lowest I can fly YSB-YYZ tomorrow on AC is $721. The latter is monopolistic exploitation of the worst kind and nobody subjected to those ripoffs has a lot of loyalty or goodwill for Jazz. It should hardly be surprising that victims of the monopoly wish Porter every success even if some of us are quite loyal to the mainline carrier AC.

I guess you can call me a smart shopper :D

The AC passes are still good value for people travelling mostly mid week on busy routes. For regional short haul flights I buy a T+ pass and it is generally cheaper than mid week fares on any of the airlines ex YYZ. For my flights to Alberta and YVR, particulalry to YMM or YYC mid week fares can be as high as $1000 one way while the latitude pass is only $650 and the T+ pass is around $400. WETJET is no cheaper mid week and AC with the pass program is probably cheaper than them mid week or other busy tim,es like Friday PM or Monday am.

I'm sure you are a very smart shopper. :lol:

Passes are good value. I'm flying home from IAD on one today. So I won't be paying that outrageous fare AC wants for T+ today. :D

My point was simply to point that you were being a bit disingenuous comparing a pass to a next day online single fare purchase.

Porter have good fares. I wish them every success. We need the competition to at least try to encourage some consumer responsiveness at AC. :D

Read my story in the second post on this thread.

Hope you behaved impeccably on your visit to YSB. :lol::lol::lol:

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The parameter affecting the prices YSB-YYZ today is load factor.

AC only has a total of 12 seats for sale, on 5 flights, for the remainder of the day. I suspect that the earlier flights were just as full, while Porter was probably less than half full. Thus Porter was still trying to flog the seats to anyone passing by.

I'm sure load factor is the cause of the high prices today.

But read my second post in this thread. AC are going to drive me, my wife and mother-in-law onto the highway in August for our trip to YLW because AC's pricing of the YSB-YYZ leg months ahead of time on connecting flights is just a ripoff.

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Hope you behaved impeccably on your visit to YSB. :lol::lol::lol:

I always behave impeccably.....its just that some people don't see it my way :lol:

I hope you will be out tearing down blue and orange signs in YSB when you're back :wink:

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Which passenger do you think the airline wants:

YSB-YYZ for $700

or

YSB-YYZ-YVR for $900.

The answer is obvious. But wants and gets are two completely different things.

I could count on the fingers of two hands how many $700 seats it sells on each flight. It may be more than my fingers on a Friday afternoon but early morning or mid-day, mid-week in mid-August its probably zero.

Does it want to sell the rest of its seats at a reasonable price or does it prefer to send people onto the highways? The answer apparently is the former. And if it drives them onto the highway for YSB-YYZ there's a better than even chance it drives them to WetJet for YYZ-YLW and a host of other connections in Canada. It's a bizarre business strategy.

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Hope you behaved impeccably on your visit to YSB. :lol::lol::lol:

I always behave impeccably.....its just that some people don't see it my way :lol:

I hope you will be out tearing down blue and orange signs in YSB when you're back :wink:

I am always kind to my socialist friends. I wouldn't touch their signs. :shock: Tearing down blue signs in YSB is not worth the effort. :D They are irrelevant.

Its too bad the red signs in YSB were designed by an amateur graphic artist. But the reds do appear to be running a campaign this time unlike 2008. ^

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Just sitting in the YSB lounge enjoying some free wifi! :wink:

Very nice check in experience for my PD flight today, I casually ask if the flight is full and if anyone is sitting beside me. The agent checks and as let's me know that there is nobody currently but would I like them to block the seat so nobody can take it unless they need it? WOW! :shock: You can do that? I reply. Sure Mr. Stinger, no problem at all. Can't wait for AC to get this little technological wonder. :roll:

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I am happy to report when I reached my seat 15B, nobody beside me as promised. I counted about 10 empty seats on the single flight from YSB-YYZ today and about 50-60 who got off the inbound aircraft. Interesting that the inbound landed late at 13:44 and they had them unloaded and us boarded up for wheels up at 14:05. ^ Very impressive! Using the PD shuttle I was at the Avis (BCE place) with my rental car at 15:35.

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I am happy to report when I reached my seat 15B, nobody beside me as promised. I counted about 10 empty seats on the single flight from YSB-YYZ today and about 50-60 who got off the inbound aircraft. Interesting that the inbound landed late at 13:44 and they had them unloaded and us boarded up for wheels up at 14:05. ^ Very impressive! Using the PD shuttle I was at the Avis (BCE place) with my rental car at 15:35.

Was recently on Porter.Very few empty seats as you note :D

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